In My Wildest Jolla Dreams…
Okay I’m going to get straight to the point here no beating around the bush as I just need to get this idea out there before my brain explodes!
While we wait for Sailfish to get completed and the new Jolla phone which isn’t due out until Summer 2013, why couldn’t Jolla license MeeGo Harmattan from Nokia along with the unreleased Lauta RM-742, slap Jolla branding all over it and release it to the millions who I know want it ?
Lauta: In My Jolla Dreams…
This would give Jolla a direct source of income while they finish Sailfish and when Sailfish is ready they could then offer an upgrade port to the Jolla branded Lauta so people could then have the full official Sailfish experience onboard. Even better, they could offer a dual boot port so that people have an even nicer transitional experience from MeeGo Harmattan into Sailfish.
Then when Jolla are happy that Sailfish is complete, they could release their own smartphone with Sailfish onboard having had the benefit of a period of trial with Sailfish to make sure all the issues are ironed out and which would also allow developers time to get apps ready for the new Sailfish ecosystem. An even better solution would be if Sailfish could run native MeeGo apps so there is even less of a teething period involved.
Does it sound too simple ?
One foreseeable issue is that Nokia would not be willing to license either the software or the hardware to Jolla, but surely it could only be a benefit to Nokia as there would be financial gains for them also.
The other issue is that Jolla may not be interested in offering this continuity of MeeGo Harmattan when they are completely 100% focussed on their own Sailfish OS strategy and they may not want to be distracted from their current goal.
IMO this is the most holistic open approach both companies could take as it would give us some much needed continuation from Nokia products and in doing so Jolla would gain the full undivided support and attention of all N9 owners in an instant which can only make it a win all round for both Jolla and Nokia (who would benefit from licensee payouts).
Both Nokia and Jolla need to realise that this is a very unique situation that they are both in with 2 massive points that make considering linking up like this very poignant:
1/ Jolla’s current position which has been created by their previous connections to Nokia and their experience of working on Meego Harmattan means they are perfectly equipped for such a strategy and stand to gain financially immediately to propel Sailfish forward at a faster pace.
2/ The perceived feeling by many and hopefully Nokia themselves that Nokia should indeed offer some form of continuation to N9 MeeGo users and the financial gains they stand to make mean it is something they should strongly consider.
So for Jolla the advantage of being open to this kind of strategy would mean it would give them more time and money in order to get both Sailfish and their own Jolla phone completed. It would also extend a bridge to existing N9 users who would find an easy transition to the Lauta Jolla branded MeeGo device and then latterly onto Sailfish via an official port and finally later in the year the Jolla branded Sailfish phone.
For Nokia, the benefits are they would repair their relationship with N9 MeeGo users who have been literally left out in the cold and they would also gain financially from the licensing agreement and the fact that more apps would inevitably be purchased through the Nokia store = more profits!
Hypothetically, if I told you that both Jolla and Nokia were onboard for this idea and starting from January 1st, 2013, presales were going to start for delivery by January 14th of the new Jolla branded Lauta handset what would you say ?
Maybe it all sounds a bit too incestuous – what do you think ?
End of dream and back to reality: in lieu of this kind of holistic continuation, a nice unofficial Sailfish port to my N9 would suffice while I wait for Jolla to bring out their new phone later next year! 
What a dreamer!!!! I don’t think this can fit with Jolla Strategie, but why not either for such flexible team? If they share your dream and if Nokia approve it, I just hope that the Lauta HW is at least a dual core at 1 to 1,3 MHz and the rest as N9 to not be outdated.
LOL well I’m willing to take preorders for the Jolla Lauta – any takers ?
Lol. I may be in that number. It might be a good business to build a Harmattan like for Sailfish. That could be a best seller.
Okay lets go you can be the 2nd order on the list (I’m the first!)….
I’m all in if you don’t ask me to use western union to send money to a Nigeria account =))
It makes no sense. Jolla should focus on their ecosystem and their strategy. If they wanted to borrow the hardware design and use it for a developer’s device I could see that but why be responsible for years of support for something that won’t last? They don’t want to have to pay or motivate developers to create applications for something that is only interim? Bad idea. If anyone, Nokia should do that but we know they won’t.
But my point is that hypothetically if the apps are all cross compatible between MeeGo and Sailfish, there wouldn’t be the developer issues. I don’t think it’s a bad idea (maybe a dream! lol) because as you can see Jolla have already showcased Sailfish running on last years release N950 and have already talked about an unofficial port to for example N9. So why not license the hardware (and software) that they know will work with Sailfish and get a handset out there in the quickest possible time! Most importantly, until Sailfish is fully completed and they can start attracting manufacturing partners to license it (which is again an unknown quantity at this stage), where will they get their income from to develop Sailfish further ?
Lol. I may be in that number. It might be a good business to build a Harmattan like for Sailfish. That could be a best seller.
This is feasible but still I cannot understand the relationship between Jolla and Nokia and how Nokia is thinking about Meego. Officially we know Nokia is now only WP8 and nothing else. Even worse they prove that in practice (ask N900 or N9 owners), so how they suppose to support something that will damage their WP8 strategy?
Well Nokia wouldn’t be supporting it directly as it could be Jolla branded, indirectly yes… I mean Nokia are still supporting the N9 in for example the Nokia store so really it’s just a case of an agreeable licensing arrangement between Jolla and Nokia. It shouldn’t affect their WP strategy because they will not have their name on the handset and will just take the royalties for each one Jolla sells. Nokia have to come to terms with the fact that there are a bunch of ex-symbian/MeeGo users who may never adopt WP and this is the most agreeable solution to satisfy those existing customers. So Nokia could benefit indirectly but with Jolla steering the ship.
Do not get me wrong, I would like to see that happening, but I still think Nokia would like to see those ex-symbian/MeeGo users getting their WP8 phones ;-(
I wish Jolla is going to listen to our orphaned community and deliver something good.
Id give my left testi to see this happen. I love my N9..i just cant let it go.
I have been using a Galaxy Nexus as my main device, but my trusty N9 is always around. I cant wait to get a port of Sailfish running on “my precious” just to be able to use it again.
but alas…your dream is but a dream
thanks for the read
No worries and ‘my precious’ is also waiting in line – can’t wait for an official unofficial port!!
However I can be in a number, as mentioned above, but I have the simplest reason why it may not to happen. Simply just Jolla can have now better idea or prototype then Lauta.
Second, and more important reason is that Lauta share with N9 the same FUBAR problem – it is single SIM only! In our times – singleSIM only! Jolla must be at last doubleSIM if not tripleSIM smartphone to be in current world standard, and this is especially actual and important in China where almost all mobiles are doubleSIM. Otherwise Jolla will not gain the success this project has deserved for. If Lauta can be doubleSIM then it can, but I think it not.
And do not forget friendly Elop, which certainly will help and will not want overwhelming prices, won’t he?
How do you think the operators would take the sexond sim option. Nokia started to offer two sim models in certain markets only after others opened the door.
It could be viable tactics/strategy – if they do not need operator support. Then they should concentrate only on markets where subsidies are not the norm. There should be enougj potential for Jolla in total.
What Jolla need first of all are customers. And I as a customer will never buy again (no meter how supported and by who) any mobile without at last doubleSIM. It is extremely much more comfortable and free me from unnecessary second mobile device. No operator can force me to have or not to have more then one mobile number and more then one mobile. For me better is to have ALL my phone numbers so ALL SIMs in one device, as in the same moment I can only have one call. This mean any second mobile ringing is annoying, when I have as now doubleSIM mobile there is no such a disturbance when I am talking. This is a question of comfort exactly the same like a remote control for TV, or wireless phone, or air conditioning in a car – you can live without this, but you will avoid to buy a device without this for your own use. Try a doubleSIM or tripleSIM mobile to find out that your life can be better and easier. Jolla will loose customers, especially professionals and rich ones, if will not recognise this trend and if will not comply this need. A doubleSIM is just a common standard, it is nothing extraordinary. Perhaps tripleSIM could be. Anyway all asian mobiles are more competitive due to doubleSIM. I want doublSIM – period. And even in my deepest love to MeeGo/Sailfish OSes – I will not buy or take for free any mobile without doubleSIM. The same way I will not go to work by horse, but by a car. And there is no one who could stop me from making my life easier. Even all operators together. BTW: for operators doubleSIM mean that I can answer call from 2 numbers, and make my calls from 2 numbers also, what mean with doubleSIM I will generate more traffic, so this is good for them also.
SingleSIM mobile you can put inside a bottom – just honestly. SingleSIM is NO GO for any Jolla. I don’t care I will not change my mind about this. Get used to this, as there are more and more people with this opinion. Period again.
I love to have jolla on my n9…when I hear about dream I was like in dream so I am badly wating
For this port…thanks jolla
I would almost certainly (if it has IR, make that a definite) put in my order for 1 as soon as posible. I would probably wait to replace my other n900 for the sailfish release.
when this release will be plz reply….
I’m really excited about most of the things we’ve seen about Sailfish so far.
I guess for some of us users it would be nice to finally (after the Symbian’s demise) have an OS which does not require you to be logged in to do virtually everything
What I’d really like to ask Jolla is PLEASE PLEASE, a thousand times please Jolla, when and if you design your phones with a hardware keyboard, make a couple more physical keys for us Russian users, to cover the Russian layout (which has 33 letters) and at least the comma and period, without having to switch. AFAIK, it would be just 2 keys more than in the Finnish layout, so I’m probably not asking for too much I hope )
Plz tell us that how much time this port take?
Note to Nokia:
if such an arrangment happened I’d buy the nokia (branded Jolla). Before now the n9 was the last Nokia I was ever going to buy.After the windows garbage that was it, wait for Jolla. Now Nokia has a chance to sell me one more phone.
but then Jolla ends up in the same boat that Nokia was in when they were developing the Nokia N9… too many resources split up and focused on different things. Sure all of the projects eventually meet up to a nice tip on the triangle but why not just keep focus on Sailfish and make it all it can be.
It would not have shipped. Nokia killed MeeGo before the N9 was even released, so why would they release another handset running it? Don’t forget that they tried to bury the N9 as much as they could; it was only available in certain markets. This was so the WP handsets would do better and no confuse consumers since they would look similar to the N9.
You are vastly underestimating the effort required to bring kinda-sorta working prototype to production quality. If “Lauta” had been mere 1.5 months away from being shipped (and that’s with Nokia’s resources, which were vastly greater than Jolla’s), it would have shipped. Even if “Lauta” were just an N9 clone with qwerty there’s still always little kinks to sort out and the last mile to squeeze out the most difficult bugs and stabilize the product are actually harder than simply booting up a new hardware (which Jolla prided itself to be able to do within 24 hours for “anything they get their hands on” during SLUSH).
Even if we assume that Nokia and Jolla were both on board today, the product would be outdated hardware (basically N9), possibly very unstable and riddled with bugs, and it would take 1.5 months of effort away from Jolla’s own mobile phone development. This type of device would do nothing but damage Jolla’s reputation. The key for Jolla now is to get their own device out the door as soon as possible and not do anything to risk that.
Why would they need to license MeeGo Harmattan? That would actually be the worst thing they could do, then from day one you already have fragmentation. When the first Sailfish OS based device is sold, the current apps won’t run on it. What Jolla could do is buy the design or just pay royalties to Nokia for every Lauta based device sold. The downside would be that the Lauta is probably based on a single core processor but could be upgraded to a dual core as the package is the same.
What would Nokia gain from that arrangement? Really nothing, as Jolla is a competitor and while Nokia would make money on the hardware side, they would be helping a competitor while cannibalizing their own sales. Nokia has done a great job at doing that themselves and don’t need any help at it.
Doing the above would require Jolla to support Ti OMAP processors, which they can do as they did demo Sailfish. It still comes down to support and user experience and Jolla is taking the safe road and not creating a bad experience early on and then fight to get burned customers back. This is what Nokia has done and look at their sales? They burned the Symbian users, burned the MeeGo users and then burned the WP users.
The community will bring us Salifish sooner than Jolla will. I expect to see Sailfish on the N9 soon and the community could even go further and get it running on a Samsung Galaxy S III. It would be nice if Jolla could convince HTC to release a device running Sailfish. But with Jolla supporting ST-Ericsson, what Jolla is targeting won’t be available until next year anyway. So a company like HTC wouldn’t be able to offer anything anyway. HTC is an ST-Ericsson partner though, so HTC could sell Sailfish based devices, just like HTC has joined Tizen. HTC would do better with Jolla than Tizen though. With Nokia moving towards ST-Ericsson as well for future WP handsets, that plays nicely with being able to buy a Nokia handset and dumping WP in favor of Sailfish in the future. There would need to be some software changes but the community could handle that.
but we cant use N9 only with PR 1.3
it has a lot of bugs!!!!
this is not a good job!
im waiting for the porting on N9!!!!!
I really hope there will be GLONASS support
No more news in Jolla Land? :/
nothing in the air?
So where is the porting….??
hi i just came across this yesterday http://www.the-internet-shop.co.uk/samsung-e2600/78832-samsung-e2600-twin-dual-sim-card-adapter.html
would this solve the dual sim issue if Jolla made there own to go with their first phone?
Hello Jollatides..
that lauta looks cool. damn, i’m not that familiar with jolla, just heard about them recently.. Sweet demo, hope they could have shown more of the UI..
And since they’re also designing their own hardware, I think it’s ok for fans to dream about the phone specs..
I really would like to have a jolla phone that aside from having the standard highend specs (processor, graphics, screen, build, etc), would also fill in the void with regards to high quality audio output.. I guess iphone is already a good sounding phone, but it’s still lacking that audiophile quality sound when using highend earphones,especially balanced armature earphones that requires the source to have a really low output impedance (less than or equal to 1 ohm). Well, apple already has a line of ipods for dedicated music, but they just sound almost the same with the iphone.
I hope with jolla phones, they use high end audio chips and components, lower the output impedance and allow native playback of lossless audio eg.FLAC, just like N9.
Or if not, maybe just make a dedicated music player ala ipod, of course with better UI. Since some of the better dedicated music players out there (sony, sansa, cowon, etc, does not even have a pretty UI).. Well, one can dream.. GO JOLLA!!!
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