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Interview with jolla ceo...neither environment friendly production nor fairtrade ideas welcome
  • BBurdeBBurde
    5.00 KarmaPosts: 3Crew
    recently i read a interview in the NZZ, a newspaper from switzerland, with Tomi Pienimäki. I found it sad to read. and the statements made clear, that i do not support a movement when buying a jolla phone. i only support a usual - maybe unusual in its roots - company.
    asked if jolla is thinking about environment friendly and kind of fairtrade production of the phone - like the netherlands fairphone movement - Pienimäki answerd "no." and afterwards something like, this kind of fairtrade thinking is a "niche market".
    where is the statement in buying a jolla phone besides having a phone with a different - maybe best - os?
    article: http://bit.ly/1b0Jvca

    i am curious to know what the jolla community thinks about these CEO statements.
    is jolla a different company without changing the way the phone is produced?
    should jolla fans claim for a phone that uses conflict-free, fair resources or is it only about geeky stuff...which is absolutely fine.
    Post edited by BBurde at 2013-11-30 12:38:47
  • JollaTidesJollaTides
    186.00 KarmaPosts: 230Captain
    You raise some interesting points @BBurde thanks. :-)

    For me, getting a phone that has had been under scrutiny all the way from concept to production to delivery would certainly be an added bonus. That also includes thought going into inevitable recycling etc.

    I'm not sure it would make too much difference to me whether certification was achieved initially, as long as the company could offer some kind of other assurances. For example ensuring fairtrade certification was attained all the way down the line could add a lot of extra cost to a small startup like Jolla and would no doubt be transferred to the end user.

    I suppose this is the big question - would the majority of potential Jolla owners be willing to spend a bit extra per handset to have fairtrade etc certification?

    I would certainly hope that when Jolla are producing much larger volumes of handsets and able to absorb those extra costs, they look at some kind of international fairtrade certification. In the meantime, as long as their practices are approved and certified by current trading/manufacturing standards in the applicable countries, then I suppose that's a start.
    Sail On!
    /
  • müdmüd
    15.00 KarmaPosts: 7Crew Accepted Answer
    I think Jolla focuses on Software right now. Probably they won't make more phones once they licenced Sailfish OS to other manufacturers. Maybe we even see a Sailfish OS powered device from the fairphone guys
  • blitzschlagblitzschlag
    51.00 KarmaPosts: 58Crew
    they never said that any of the mentioned topics would matter or even come to terms with Jolla. So no feelings hurt on my side.

    would i rejoice if fair work-conditions would be promoted or even certified? yes i would!
    would i rejoice if conflict free and fair priced rare earths were mined in Africa? yes i would!
    would i pay more money for all that? yes i would!

    Still, for me Jolla is not about the Hardware (as its pretty standard or even below par to todays Android inducted standards. Its about SailfishOS. or rather about not being bullied by Google, Apple, Samsung and Microsoft. I will have a Fairphone if SailfishOS will be able to boot it, thats for sure.
    i'm not even close to be a first one
  • KnuXKnuX
    50.00 KarmaPosts: 63Crew Accepted Answer
    Honestly, Android is the new windows. Bloated, huge, being slowly locked away, making hardware regularly "legacy" just because.

    WP and iOS are even worse. Firefox OS is only targetted at low-end devices: they say so themselves.

    So what's left? If I want to control my phone. If I want to have options. If I want more than what the big ones think I deserve?

    The only option on the market right now is Jolla. Ubuntu OS too, but will it come at all? Or just another corpse on the road?

    Jolla is entering a cut-throat market. Razor-thin margins, subsidized devices, NSA, telecom companies. Their phone is pricy and low-spec enough as it is! I fully understand that they want to focus on getting their product out, and don't have resources to do something none of the big companies do.

    So, yes I would like the bestest phone hardware ever with Jolla and fair trade and fully open-source firmware and specs and a big mac on the side for 0€. But something has GOT to give. You gotta start somewhere. And they just started. Give them a little time.
    QWERTY fanboy: Nokia N900 (Maemo 5), Sony-Ericsson Xperia Pro (Android 4.0 ICS), Samsung Captivate Glide (Android 4.2 JB)
    Still miss the awesomeness of the N900...
  • technicustechnicus
    66.00 KarmaPosts: 71Deckhand Accepted Answer
    In my opinion fairtrade phones are like the wish for a world without war.
    Because you would have to observate the producer and reseller of rare earth metals. Also if you manage this you must fight against corruption and exploitation of the workers. But this also just happens in civil war regions as middle Africa, where dictators are ruling and the give a f*** about fair trade as long as they get rich.

    The main problem of the enviromental friendly production of smartphones is, that you have a great mix of metals in the conductor board and also in the touch screen.
    The best option would be that the main producer of smartphones would sell a smaller range of smartphones and also TV and so on. Or that the costumers are using their phones till they die and dont buy a smartphone, pc, laptop, every 2-3 years. So the main action has to come from the big companys in my opinion. And i think Jolla is more enviromental friendly as Samsung, LG, Apple and Nokia. Jolla has a replaceable battery and I hope the otherhalf will also help that you dont have to buy every 3-4 years a new smartphone.
  • BBurdeBBurde
    5.00 KarmaPosts: 3Crew
    Yap, maybe jolla is mainly about sailfish. And they had to set preferences.
    And to mention something on cost. Fairphone is cheaper then Jolla although they use a special OS. Thus said, i don't buy the cost aspect. Thanks for sharing you're thoughts. I still want to believe some people at jolla are thinking different about margins and the companies culture. :-)
  • simosimo
    10.00 KarmaPosts: 12Crew Accepted Answer

    Interesting opening indeed. Even that I see myself as a fair trade friendly consumer, buying some of that coffee and bananas when possible, I also see a fair reason behind Pienimäki's words. Get a footprint at the market first, talk about enviroment when the shoes are big enough to make a difference there in that issue.

    Many ppl would love to see all customers thinking about fair trade (or people's welfare/enviroment in general) first, price as second, but so far it just isn't like that. Also, even that Jolla wouldn't be UNLIKE in all the sectors concerning their acts in the mobile industry, I suppose we can call them UNLIKE enough with the current steps already taken. Unfortunately there are some less nice issues which any company just must adapt when making an entry to the (more or less sick) world market.

    To expand this interesting conversation a bit, what other UNLIKE yet POSSIBLE ideas you could we come up with for Jolla?
    Waiting for my first Jolla, in white and orange ;)
  • JollaTidesJollaTides
    186.00 KarmaPosts: 230Captain Accepted Answer
    @BBurde

    I also slightly disagree with Tomi's assessment if indeed he said it would be a 'niche' market.

    Jolla could be seen as being in a 'niche' market already, targeting linux/ex-meego/maemo people and developers looking for a linux/qt based handset.

    If anything, adding environmental/fairtrade certifications to the Jolla handset would broaden their audience beyond the current reach and add extra appeal to those considering the environment/human welfare, which is a steadily growing number of people.

    Especially given all the bad press Apple/Foxconn had, it's not like people don't know about the current bad practices conducted by big tech companies which at times, almost verge on slave labour! :(

    If anyone should be looking at these issues and getting certification, it's these large companies (Apple, Samsung, MS etc) who a) have the biggest environmental footprints and b) can afford to do it. Unfortunately, for them it's all about the $$$$$$$. :(

    Still, Jolla's environmental footprint for now is relatively small so I can see how at this stage perhaps, it's not their number 1 priority... one step at a time as they say.
    Sail On!
    /
  • BBurdeBBurde
    5.00 KarmaPosts: 3Crew
    @simo tried to think at more UNLIKE aspects which jolla could realize in early stage of being...interesting that i do not have any idea instead of cooperations. i read something about this theme which says, if you are a start up and cooperate the only reason is that you are not able to solve problems on your own...i believe this statement is half true. :-d

    it is nice to read that some people share the idea, that going along the way of a fairetrader is...something that could sell even more jollas.

    i would like to see some simple things in terms of software. kwame did a nice thing: there is an app that shows a kind of a slider where you can set your phone to sleep, e.g. for the time of a meeting. the different thing about it: you do not have to enter your sim key when it wakes up (like flight mode). i would like to see more stuff like this.
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